Notes on first meeting » History » Version 5
Gyorgy Fazekas, 2012-02-23 09:48 AM
1 | 5 | Gyorgy Fazekas | These notes are based on our initial meeting on 24 January 2012. |
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2 | 5 | Gyorgy Fazekas | The aim was to collect some use cases and have an initial idea on what needs to be done to extend or revise the existing Audio Features Ontology. |
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4 | 4 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h1. Topics discussed (roughly) |
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6 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** What are the main research use cases for an Audio Features Ontology (AF) ? |
7 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Are they served well by the existing AF ? |
8 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** If not, what are the most important extensions we need to do? |
9 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Does the fundamental structure of the ontology need to be changed? |
10 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Personal Objectives: what are we going to do with a modified/re-engineered ontology? |
11 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** What is the relation of AF to existing software, including: |
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13 | 5 | Gyorgy Fazekas | * software like: Sonic Annotator, SV, SAWA, AudioDB other tools... |
14 | 5 | Gyorgy Fazekas | * and projects: like OMRAS2, EASAIER, new Semantic Media/Semantic Audio grants... |
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17 | 4 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h1. Use cases: |
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19 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ++Thomas: |
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21 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** drive audio effects -> adaptive effect (controlling effects) |
22 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** KM like use case: association of audio effects and audio features e.g. pitch shifter won’t change onsets |
23 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** part of the AFX ontology |
24 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** more audio features |
25 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** technical classification of audio effects |
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28 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ++Steve: |
29 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Finding structure, repeated sequences of features |
30 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Beat related stuff, BPM (tempo, major/minor is it an audio feature, not necessarilty) |
31 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Chords => Chord ontology |
32 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Melody and notes |
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35 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ++George: |
36 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Improve SAWA |
37 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Facilitate the development of intelligent music production systems |
38 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Release large content based metadata repositories in RDF |
39 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Re-release the MSD in RDF (??) |
40 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Deploy a knowledge based environment for content-based audio analysis based on the concept of the Knowledge Machine that can combine multiple modalities |
41 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Research reproducibility using Ontologies as a model to exchange research data. |
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44 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h2. Open issues: |
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46 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h3. Domain and scope: |
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48 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Are Musicological concepts outside the scope of an AF ? |
49 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Physical features : Acoustic features, Perceptual Features, DSP type, Musical Features |
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51 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h3. Fundamental structure of existing AF: |
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53 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Does it serve you well? |
54 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** For example, loudness is defined as a segment in AF, and it does not fit a perceptual attribute well. |
55 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** What depth do we want ? (both in terms of scope and the level of detail in describing a feature extraction workflow) |
56 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** How AF relates to the DSP workflows used in extracting them? |
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59 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h2. Existing resources : |
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61 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h3. Some work related to Steve's use cases, segmentation and Ontologies: |
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63 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** SALAMI Project: Kevin Page, DaveDeRoure http://salami.music.mcgill.ca/ |
64 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** The Segment Ontology: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~oerc0033/preprints/admire2011.pdf |
65 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** PopStructure Ontology: Kurt Jacobson Unpublished. |
66 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | (Example available: http://wiki.musicontology.com/index.php/Structural_annotations_of_%22Can%27t_buy_me_love%22_by_the_Beatles) |
67 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Similarity Ontology: Kurt Jacobson http://grasstunes.net/ontology/musim/musim.html |
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70 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h2. Ideas/resources for new Ontologies: |
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72 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Steve has worked on Acoustics related ontology |
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74 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Creating a DSP ontology: |
75 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** include processing steps down to math operations |
76 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | (this can take advantage to the math:namespace in CWM: http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Notation3.html) |
77 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** describe common DSP parameters |
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79 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** create an Acoustics Ontology |
80 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** describe Musicological concepts |
81 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** describe concepts related to cognitive and perceptual issues |
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84 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h2. Currently missing features |
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86 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** MFCC-s |
87 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Rythmogram |
88 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** RMS energy |
89 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** combined features, e.g. weighted combinations or statistical averages over features |
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92 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h2. Development issues |
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94 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** chaining, combination, weighting |
95 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** how you associate features with arbitrary data |
96 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** summary feature types |
97 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** SM (similarity matrix) are they part of the ontoogy? |
98 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** how to describe salience, can you hear it, can you perceive, is there an agreement |
99 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** how to describe weighting, confidence |
100 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** mood, music psychology, cognition, emotion, (perception ?) |
101 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** provenance => music provenance |
102 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** deprecation and versioning |
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105 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h2. Long term objectives: |
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107 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | Some concrete tasks that can be done as the outcome of the collaboration: |
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109 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** A version of Sonic Annotator that produces output adhering the new ontology |
110 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Are we making people happier by doing so? |
111 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** gradual transition period? |
112 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** extend other software toolkits; e.g. a verison of Marsyas in C++ |
113 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** multitrack processing using Sonic Annotator (this feature might come along soon) |
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116 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h2. Some immediate tasks (TODO): |
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118 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** collect more resources |
119 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Verify the relationship between AF as is, and other feature/segmentation Ontologies |
120 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** what other software uses it? |
121 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** papers and literature review |
122 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** relation to projects e.g. SIEMAC |
123 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** collect features that we need |
124 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** define scope (extend the diagram of the set of ontologies: ) |
125 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** collect specific application examples from existing processing chain / workflow |
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127 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | collect software/projects that use/produce audio features: |
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129 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** plugins, LADSPA, VAMP, Marsyas, CLAM, libextract, COMirva, MIRtoolbox, Supercollider, other frameworks |
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132 | 3 | Gyorgy Fazekas | !http://www.isophonics.net/sites/isophonics.net/files/combined-frameworks.png! |