Notes on first meeting » History » Version 11
Gyorgy Fazekas, 2012-02-23 11:29 AM
1 | 6 | Gyorgy Fazekas | These notes are based on our initial meeting on 24 January 2012. The aim was to collect some use cases and have an initial idea on what needs to be done to extend or revise the existing Audio Features Ontology. |
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3 | 4 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h1. Topics discussed (roughly) |
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5 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** What are the main research use cases for an Audio Features Ontology (AF) ? |
6 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Are they served well by the existing AF ? |
7 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** If not, what are the most important extensions we need to do? |
8 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Does the fundamental structure of the ontology need to be changed? |
9 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** What is the relation of AF to existing software, including: |
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11 | 8 | Gyorgy Fazekas | * software like: Sonic Annotator, Sonic Visualiser, SAWA, AudioDB other tools... |
12 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | * and projects like: OMRAS2, EASAIER, SALAMI, new Semantic Media/Semantic Audio grants... |
13 | 7 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Personal Objectives: what are we going to do with a modified/re-engineered ontology? |
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16 | 4 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h1. Use cases: |
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18 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ++Thomas: |
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20 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** drive audio effects -> adaptive effect (controlling effects) |
21 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** KM like use case: association of audio effects and audio features e.g. pitch shifter won’t change onsets |
22 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** part of the AFX ontology |
23 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** more audio features |
24 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** technical classification of audio effects |
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27 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ++Steve: |
28 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Finding structure, repeated sequences of features |
29 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Beat related stuff, BPM (tempo, major/minor is it an audio feature, not necessarilty) |
30 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Chords => Chord ontology |
31 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Melody and notes |
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34 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ++George: |
35 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Improve SAWA |
36 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Facilitate the development of intelligent music production systems |
37 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Release large content based metadata repositories in RDF |
38 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Re-release the MSD in RDF (??) |
39 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Deploy a knowledge based environment for content-based audio analysis based on the concept of the Knowledge Machine that can combine multiple modalities |
40 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Research reproducibility using Ontologies as a model to exchange research data. |
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43 | 6 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h1. Open issues: |
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45 | 6 | Gyorgy Fazekas | Some important questions to be decided on: |
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47 | 6 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h2. Domain and scope: |
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49 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Are Musicological concepts outside the scope of an AF ? |
50 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Physical features : Acoustic features, Perceptual Features, DSP type, Musical Features |
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52 | 6 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h2. Fundamental structure of existing AF: |
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54 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | The Audio Features Ontology is currently based on the ... |
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56 | 11 | Gyorgy Fazekas | @this is inline code@ |
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58 | 11 | Gyorgy Fazekas | @<a>link</a>@ |
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60 | 11 | Gyorgy Fazekas | <a>link</a> |
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62 | 11 | Gyorgy Fazekas | _italic_ |
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64 | 11 | Gyorgy Fazekas | *strong* |
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66 | 11 | Gyorgy Fazekas | -crossed- |
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68 | 11 | Gyorgy Fazekas | +underine+ |
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70 | 11 | Gyorgy Fazekas | !link! |
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72 | 9 | Gyorgy Fazekas | !http://isophonics.net/sites/isophonics.net/files/FeatureConceptualisations.png! |
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74 | 6 | Gyorgy Fazekas | The main scope of the ontology is to provide a framework for communication, feature representation, and describe the association of features and audio signals. Therefore it does not classify features, describe their interrelationships or their computation. With re- gards to the different conceptualisations of feature representations presented in table 4.2 (see §4.2.5.1), the Audio Features Ontology deals with data density, and temporal characteristics. It differentiates between dense, signal-like features of various dimensionality, for instance a chromagrams and detection functions, and sparse features that are scattered across the signal timeline, for instance, notes, or onsets. |
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76 | 6 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Does it serve us well? |
77 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** For example, loudness is defined as a segment in AF, and it does not fit a perceptual attribute well. |
78 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** What depth do we want ? (both in terms of scope and the level of detail in describing a feature extraction workflow) |
79 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** How AF relates to the DSP workflows used in extracting them? |
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82 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h2. Existing resources : |
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84 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h3. Some work related to Steve's use cases, segmentation and Ontologies: |
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86 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** SALAMI Project: Kevin Page, DaveDeRoure http://salami.music.mcgill.ca/ |
87 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** The Segment Ontology: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~oerc0033/preprints/admire2011.pdf |
88 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** PopStructure Ontology: Kurt Jacobson Unpublished. |
89 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | (Example available: http://wiki.musicontology.com/index.php/Structural_annotations_of_%22Can%27t_buy_me_love%22_by_the_Beatles) |
90 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Similarity Ontology: Kurt Jacobson http://grasstunes.net/ontology/musim/musim.html |
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93 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h2. Ideas/resources for new Ontologies: |
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95 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Steve has worked on Acoustics related ontology |
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97 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Creating a DSP ontology: |
98 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** include processing steps down to math operations |
99 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | (this can take advantage to the math:namespace in CWM: http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Notation3.html) |
100 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** describe common DSP parameters |
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102 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** create an Acoustics Ontology |
103 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** describe Musicological concepts |
104 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** describe concepts related to cognitive and perceptual issues |
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107 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h2. Currently missing features |
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109 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** MFCC-s |
110 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Rythmogram |
111 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** RMS energy |
112 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** combined features, e.g. weighted combinations or statistical averages over features |
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115 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h2. Development issues |
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117 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** chaining, combination, weighting |
118 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** how you associate features with arbitrary data |
119 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** summary feature types |
120 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** SM (similarity matrix) are they part of the ontoogy? |
121 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** how to describe salience, can you hear it, can you perceive, is there an agreement |
122 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** how to describe weighting, confidence |
123 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** mood, music psychology, cognition, emotion, (perception ?) |
124 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** provenance => music provenance |
125 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** deprecation and versioning |
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128 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h2. Long term objectives: |
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130 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | Some concrete tasks that can be done as the outcome of the collaboration: |
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132 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** A version of Sonic Annotator that produces output adhering the new ontology |
133 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Are we making people happier by doing so? |
134 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** gradual transition period? |
135 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** extend other software toolkits; e.g. a verison of Marsyas in C++ |
136 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** multitrack processing using Sonic Annotator (this feature might come along soon) |
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139 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h2. Some immediate tasks (TODO): |
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141 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** collect more resources |
142 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Verify the relationship between AF as is, and other feature/segmentation Ontologies |
143 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** what other software uses it? |
144 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** papers and literature review |
145 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** relation to projects e.g. SIEMAC |
146 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** collect features that we need |
147 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** define scope (extend the diagram of the set of ontologies: ) |
148 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** collect specific application examples from existing processing chain / workflow |
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150 | 2 | Gyorgy Fazekas | collect software/projects that use/produce audio features: |
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152 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** plugins, LADSPA, VAMP, Marsyas, CLAM, libextract, COMirva, MIRtoolbox, Supercollider, other frameworks |
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155 | 3 | Gyorgy Fazekas | !http://www.isophonics.net/sites/isophonics.net/files/combined-frameworks.png! |