Notes on first meeting » History » Version 1
Gyorgy Fazekas, 2012-02-22 07:35 PM
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3 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h2. Topics discussed (roughly) |
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5 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** What are the main research use cases for an Audio Features Ontology (AF) ? |
6 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Are they served by the existing AF well? |
7 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** If not, what are the most important extensions we need to do? |
8 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Does the fundamental structure of the ontology need to be changed? |
9 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Personal Objectives: what are we going to do with a modified/re-engineered ontology? |
10 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** What is the relation of AF to existing software, including: |
11 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | Sonic Annotator, SV, SAWA, other tools... and projects OMRAS2, EASAIER client, AudioDB |
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14 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h2. Use cases: |
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16 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ++Thomas: |
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18 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** drive audio effects -> adaptive effect (controlling effects) |
19 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** KM like use case: association of audio effects and audio features e.g. pitch shifter won’t change onsets |
20 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** part of the AFX ontology |
21 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** more audio features |
22 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** technical classification of audio effects |
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25 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ++Steve: |
26 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Finding structure, repeated sequences of features |
27 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Beat related stuff, BPM (tempo, major/minor is it an audio feature, not necessarilty) |
28 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Chords => Chord ontology |
29 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Melody and notes |
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32 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ++George: |
33 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Improve SAWA |
34 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Facilitate the development of intelligent music production systems |
35 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Release large content based metadata repositories in RDF |
36 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Re-release the MSD in RDF (??) |
37 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Deploy a knowledge based environment for content-based audio analysis based on the concept of the Knowledge Machine that can combine multiple modalities |
38 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Research reproducibility using Ontologies as a model to exchange research data. |
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42 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h2. Resources: |
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44 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h3. Some work related to Steve's use cases, segmentation and Ontologies: |
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46 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** SALAMI Project: Kevin Page, DaveDeRoure http://salami.music.mcgill.ca/ |
47 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** The Segment Ontology: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~oerc0033/preprints/admire2011.pdf |
48 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** PopStructure Ontology: Kurt Jacobson Unpublished. |
49 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | (Example available: http://wiki.musicontology.com/index.php/Structural_annotations_of_%22Can%27t_buy_me_love%22_by_the_Beatles) |
50 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Similarity Ontology: Kurt Jacobson http://grasstunes.net/ontology/musim/musim.html |
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52 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h2. Open issues: |
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54 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h3. Domain and scope: |
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56 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Are Musicological concepts outside the scope of an AF ? |
57 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Physical features : Acoustic features, Perceptual Features, DSP type, Musical Features |
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59 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h3. Fundamental structure: |
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61 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Does it serve you well? |
62 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** For example, loudness is defined as a segment in AF, and it does not fit a perceptual attribute well. |
63 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** What depth do we want ? (both in terms of scope and the level of detail in describing a feature extraction workflow) |
64 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** How AF relates to the DSP workflows used in extracting them? |
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67 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h2. Existing resources : |
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69 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | Ideas for new ontologies: |
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71 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | Steve: has worked on Acoustics related ontology |
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73 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | DSP ontology |
74 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** processing steps down to math operation |
75 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** DSP parameters |
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77 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | Acoustics ontology |
78 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | Musicological concepts |
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81 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h2. Currently missing features |
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83 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** MFCC-s are missing |
84 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Rythmogram |
85 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** RMS energy |
86 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** combined features, e.g. weighted combinations, statistical averages over features |
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90 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h2. Development issues |
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92 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** chaining, combination, weighting |
93 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** how you associate features with arbitrary data |
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95 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** summary feature types |
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97 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** SM (similarity matrix) are they part of the ontoogy? |
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99 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** salience, can you hear it, can you perceive, is there an agreement |
100 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** weighting, confidence |
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102 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** mood, music psychology, cognition, emotion, (perception ?) |
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104 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** provenance => music provenance |
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106 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** need for deprecation and versioning |
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110 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h2. Long term objectives: |
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112 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | Some concrete tasks that can be done as the outcome of the collaboration: |
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114 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Sonic Annotator produces output according to the new ontology |
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116 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Are we making people happier by doing so? |
117 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** gradual transition. |
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119 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** software toolkits; a verison of Marsyas C++ |
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121 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** multitrack processing using Sonic Annotator |
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124 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | h2. Immediate tasks (TODO): |
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126 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** collect resources |
127 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** Verify the relationship between AF as is, and other segmentation ontologies |
128 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** software |
129 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** papers |
130 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** projects |
131 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** SIEMAC |
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133 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** collect features that we need. |
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135 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** plugins, LADSPA, VAMP, Marsyas, CLAM, libextract, COMirva, MIRtoolbox, Supercollider, other frameworks |
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137 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** scope (diagram of a set of ontologies) |
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139 | 1 | Gyorgy Fazekas | ** specific application examples from existing processing chain / workflow |